the fact they've tried to do -- to not do that, get the energy of young conservative hero paul ryan, with -- and then distance themselves fm the things that ma him aseiv hero, seems whack a doodle. why not put rob portman on the ticket as people thought they were going to do from the beginning. >> with the other piece of sound demonstrates mitt romney feels like he's getting upstaged by pa ryan in terms of the love t there, which i think is culating sle hu in t long scheme of this, after this is all said and done, if mitt romney doesn't win this race, is the ryan brand damaged or is it intact? >> i think it's obviously too soon to tell that. i doubtt will be severely damaged but i think, you know, it awkwardness right after he sort of tapped him and then comes to the convention, i was expecting here's the great synthesis, worked this out, ryan's speech will lay it out, see where the romney/ryan roads meet and we're going to -- i expect that would really be ar p fic y sortf new and it really wasn't. and instead, you seen a continuation of that sort of awkwardness that was originally -